DB#342 – Creation and Evolution
In this episode: my experiences during yesterday’s Dutch TV-show ‘Wat Nu?’; Brown and Bush; Dutch Smoking Ban; Afghanistan, the Taliban and Pope Benedict XVI; Creationism versus Evolution: an absurd opposition; Music Man Episode 16.
Supergene – Get Out
http://www.supergene.co.uk/
Channel – Smoke and Mirrors Mix
http://www.channel-music..com/index1.htm
Josh Woodward – Omaha
http://www.joshwoodward.com/
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Ho! Stop! The EO is the EVANGELICAL Broadcasting organization. NCRV is the calvinist based broadcasting organization (Nederlandse Christelijke Radio Vereniging) and the liberals have VPRO (Vrijzinnig Protestantse Radio Omroep). I’m a protestant, but I want to distance myself from those evangelicals. The hardcore calvinists are also the calvinist branch of evangelicalism. (Yeah, I’m subscribed to NCRV
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Most protestant people (now joined in PKN, so Hervormd, Gereformeerd, Luthers) are members of NCRV and not EO. So want to say that. Most protestants don’t take the Bible literaly, most protestants are not fundamentalists. The situation in the Netherlands is not representative of protestantism worldwide.
Dag Roderick Vonhögen,
Met veel plezier luister ik als humanist al bijna sinds het begin naar je podcasts. Complimenten.
Een opmerking; begrijp ik goed uit je laatste DB#342 dat je denkt dat het nieuwe rookverbod in de horeca in NL al in een paar weken tijd in gaat??
Helaas. Het staat pas gepland voor juli 2008 (!) Dit heeft de minister gedaan om de horeca tijd te geven om voorbereidingen te treffen. En nog sputtert de horeca (via de horeca bond NL) Dat het te snel gaat en onmogelijk wordt binnen een jaar… zucht…
Houdt svp dit debat in de gaten zodat het tenminste over een jaar echt van kracht wordt. Want net als jij (;-) kom ik geen horecagelegenheid in omdat er gerookt wordt en ik er ziek van wordt.
Greetings, Ro
Dear Fr. Roderick,
Thank you so much for your excellent explaination on the Catholic Church’s position on evolutionism and creationism. This is so empowering. You really couldn’t have said it better! I also really appreciate the reference to the thought of St. Augustine.
Jack
Father Roderick
Thank God that you articulated a reasonable, scientifically plausible version of Darwin, rather than the indefensible position so many people embrace, especially in the US of A. I might disagree with you on the central importance of chance in natural selection, but it is heartening to hear a religious person put forth a position on creation that an educated individual can affirm with confidence.
Kevin O
@taquoriaan I tought you conferted to the catholic church but none the less the dutch public television system is a bit weird
Fr Roderick I tought you did a great job explaining the creation vs evolution in this podcast and I wish you good luck on the next tv show. I will certainly watch it and I will keep you in my prayers.
thx for all your hard work
yes great job in explaining the whole creationism/evolution story!
@Eric: one is only a catholic when baptized in the Catholic Church or when one is confirmed / admitted to confirmation. I am neither. It’s true I attend RCIA classes in my parish, but it’s not certain I will become a catholic.
I have to believe the dogma’s first, and there are some I have a hard time believing in. So that’s not in my control.
Hey Fr. Roderick!
Thanks for the “Omaha” episode with my feedback and the Josh Woodward song (in Music Man segment).
God Bless,
Jon Tucker
The Pillar Cast
Good discussion of the Creationism/Evolution subject. I read somewhere that the Creationism fans in USA who wants Creationism to be taught in the public schools alongside (and some even wants to ban Evolution in the curriculum) defends their stance with saying that “there’s two theories [Creationism and Evolution (my parenthesis)] and one theory should in the name of science get equal amounts of attention as the other”. I say that’s nonsense! 99.99999999999999(…)% of all the scientists today agrees on that Evolution is what happened – not Creationism. Therefor the theory that gets 0.000000000000000000(…)1% support shouldn’t get 50% of the attention. It’s the same as to say that if I believe that Sweden is in Africa, then in Geography classes the teacher would say: “One theory is that Sweden is an European country, but it’s important to notice that another theory is that it’s an African country”!.
And so a note about the music man: Why does he only play parts of songs? I want to hear the whole song without having to seek them on PMN and download them.
I’m a few days behind, so I don’t know if this gets addressed later or not, but I had a question about the Catholic view of evolution. If the Church teaches that man evolved from lower species and wasn’t created from the earth, how does that affect the doctrine of Original Sin and that the sin of the first man and woman affects us all?
Hi Jon,
I think based on the quote below, that the answer to your question is that Adam and Eve were the first HUMANS. So if the theory of evolution is correct, then the first humans (non apes) with spiritual/human souls were the ones who fell (Adam and Eve) and so Original Sin still effects us.
“Pope Pius XII declared that “the teaching authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions . . . take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter—[but] the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God” (Pius XII, Humani Generis 36)” http://www.catholic.com/library/adam_eve_and_evolution.asp
I’m also under the impression that neither John Paul the Great nor Pope Benedict where told about any of the “holes” in the Evolutionary theory. This isn’t to say that evolution isn’t true. Just that there is a lot that science needs to do to prove the theory is a FACT. Missing link anyone? Then there’s the whole “if we observe that Micro evolution is true, Macro evolution must therefore also be true” assertion. Still, until some scientist comes up with a better solution to how we got here, Evolution is all we’ve got.
I don’t think people should get too upset when popular scientific theories are criticized. To often people fall into a “Scientistic” mindset and suddenly “Scientism” (science as a religion) takes over. If Evolution is true then great but if it isn’t then that’s fine too. The problem is when people perceive science as dogmatic and begin a false fight pitting Science and Faith against each other. Specially since Science itself is based on propositions that can’t be proven scientifically. Proposition such as:
Truth exists, Truth is knowable through observation, Truth is understandable, Truth is teachable.
“Truth” is an abstract/spiritual concept that can’t be put in a test tube. It has no taste, smell, sound, and it takes up no space (kinda like God and his Angels). It’s an utterly unscientific thing and yet it’s the very foundation of science. You must have “Faith” that the above propositions are true in order to do science at all and that’s a matter of good Philosophy not science.
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