Rosary Army #192: The Real Deal
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THANK YOU!, Father Shramko. I’m staying Catholic because of you. It was like you were saying the thoughts in my head. Logical and historically true. I love it!
Hello! Regarding episode 192, The Real Deal:
I;m a first-time listener and enjoyed your podcast. Fr. Shramko (spelling?!) was great in his treatment of your rather difficult questions especially about the salvation of non-Catholics. Some of my thoughts were: Of course, that makes sense, that, for instance, Baptism is a solid connection between Catholics and non-Catholics and this can be a good starting point for discussion. I can see where this sacrament places a person ar least inside the door of Jesus’ Church. Then one who is non-Catholic can take steps forward to enter into the fullness of that Church if desired . . and who wouldn’t desire the rest of the awesome gifts Christ has given us for the journey to our Home in Heaven? Thanks Rosary Army for bringing much needed enlightenment to me on this often misunderstood topic.
As a Catholic recieved into full communion from Anglicanism, I’m obviously sold on the truth of the Catholic Church.
Fully endorse what Fr said about knowing your faith, if you get into EENS / Ecumenicism without knowing your ground, the potential for causing damage is huge. Same risk even if you know your ground but are either triumphalist (The Catholic Faith is true and if you don’t like it…., e.g one of the listener feedbacks was not intentionally so, but I could see other Christian listeners easily taking it the wrong way) or you don’t pick your moment.
What about non - Catholic friends / relatives? Prudential judgement (380 Compendium) & knowledge. Know what to say and when. You can say the right thing at the wrong time or the wrong thing at the right time and turn people right off.
Could not find the list on the link site, I’ve seen a few though. The split that needs seperate treatment is that from our Orthodox brothers and sisters.
CCC 838 - With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound “that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist.”324
Unlike many protestant communities where a ‘founder’ can be identified, the split with the Orthodox was the result of centuries of misunderstanding and gradual estrangement culminating in the break in communion, which although generally dated at 1054 was not finalised for another couple of centuries.
Anyway, great Podcast’s
May God grant you many years
Graeme
While Dominus Iesus is fine, a better staring point is JPII’s Ut Unum Sint
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25051995_ut-unum-sint_en.html
Nevertheless, besides the doctrinal differences needing to be resolved, Christians cannot underestimate the burden of long-standing misgivings inherited from the past, and of mutual misunderstandings and prejudices. Complacency, indifference and insufficient knowledge of one another often make this situation worse. Consequently, the commitment to ecumenism must be based upon the conversion of hearts and upon prayer, which will also lead to the necessary purification of past memories
and also
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_02051995_orientale-lumen_en.html
Our Eastern Catholic brothers and sisters are very conscious of being the living bearers of this tradition, together with our Orthodox brothers and sisters. The members of the Catholic Church of the Latin tradition must also be fully acquainted with this treasure and thus feel, with the Pope, a passionate longing that the full manifestation of the Church’s catholicity be restored to the Church and to the world, expressed not by a single tradition, and still less by one community in opposition to the other; and that we too may be granted a full taste of the divinely revealed and undivided heritage of the universal Church(2) which is preserved and grows in the life of the Churches of the East as in those of the West.
May God grant you many years
Graeme
Graeme,
I agree completely with you. I am a triumphalent, in other words. When non-Catholic friends ask me about my faith, I almost always tell them that I’ll write the explanation to them. That way I can get all the facts correct, make the correct historical and logical connections, but also check and re-check how I’m stating what I want to state. This is the only way, I’ve found, for me to avoid saying something that only drives them away from the Church and embarrasses me for it’s bluntness.
God Bless,
James
Amidst all these days of feedback comments I would suggest that people really listen, reflect and take to heart what Father Roderick says in his final thoughts relating to the quote he reads at the end of DB #397. It’s about how we don’t know it all and that asking questions is very important. I think his words of today are very important to keep in our thoughts, words and prayers.
Someone wise once told me that there are too many people practicing religion but not nearly enough christians practicing christianity.
Peace & God Bless,
Michael C
I should probably count to ten before I write this. Michael, you should also keep Father Roderick’s words in your thoughts, words and prayers. You should probably also re-listen to today’s podcast a few times.
1) Christianity is a religion.
2) Catholicism is the Church.
3) The Catechism was compiled by some wise men as well.
Thanks Michael, I went back and listened to the Fr. Roderick quote again. Yes! So, here’s what I learned today: Let’s not be afraid, let’s let the
Truth of the Holy Spirit work through us as we ANSWER questions about our Faith and as we ASK questions-as in the podcast today-and in our constant study of our Faith. And Thanks Graeme for that great resource material you suggested. And thanks James for your sincere, focused way of getting the Word out to others. Beautiful isn’t it, this media that allows us to share with, express thoughts to, challenge, etc. one another.
Love to you all,
Mary in California
(a retired old lady but lovin’ the new media formats)
Thanks for your opinions James. As Mary said it is beautiful that this medium allows us to share our opinions, express thoughts to, challenge etc. one another. And as Father Roderick importantly said, we do not know it all so maybe it would be the christian thing to not believe we do know it all or have a numbered list that we insist others have to believe before we accept them as fellow human beings.
Christianity as I mentioned it was about how we serve others and put the principles of Jesus into our interactions with everyday people. Father Roderick was talking about how much more important listening and putting yourself in the other persons shoes was than insisting on a particular point of view.
Peace and God Bless,
Michael C
With all due respect James, as a lifelong catholic & christian and one who listened carefully to what Father Roderick said a couple of times and to RA #192 I don’t think any of us as listeners is in any position to say that someone absolutely should do this or that.
Maybe as mistake making, sinning human beings we can sometimes make a suggestion on something to read, watch or listen to. And if that something is well done and/or makes an impression then there will be no need on our part to insist to someone they “should” repeat it as usually they will do that on their own if it is something that made that kind of an impression on them.
Peace & God Bless
Michael C
I don’t believe in hardcore Catholic, strict Catholic, traditional Catholic, etc. There is just Catholic or not Catholic.
Referring in an early comment where you said you were an “open minded” catholic suggests that anyone disagreeing with you is a close-minded Catholic. To be more accurate, you should just say that we are actually Catholic - not by habit, not by cradle, not due to fear, but because we chose to be.
I think you will find James that it is not nearly as simple as what you say. There are so many complexities and “mysteries” involved in the catholic faith that we as imperfect flawed humans can not know.
You are quite wrong in your 2nd paragraph as in fact I never suggested what you misattributed at all or even thought what you misattributed to myself. What I would suggest is that we not assume things about someone that are not there.
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I have learned from Father Roderick, other theologians & everyday people that this is a wonderfully complex world full of wonder and mystery. And that a good part of our faith is about having faith despite not having visible evidence and having faith despite wonderous mystery. That faith is a personal belief not just a choice.
In other words, have faith and enjoy the journey even though we are not meant to know parts of the wonderous journey we are on.
Peace and God Bless,
Michael C